<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments for Victory Briefs</title>
	<atom:link href="http://victorybriefs.com/comments/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://victorybriefs.com</link>
	<description>Analysis &#124; Evidence &#124; Arguments.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 06:29:00 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Jan/Feb Resolution Controversy by rahul</title>
		<link>http://victorybriefs.com/2011/12/janfeb-resolution-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-3066</link>
		<dc:creator>rahul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 06:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://victorybriefs.com/?p=18161#comment-3066</guid>
		<description>Out of curiosity, when will the site be up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of curiosity, when will the site be up?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on The Necessary but Insufficient Burdens of Self-Defense by Stephen Babb by Stephen Babb</title>
		<link>http://victorybriefs.com/2012/02/the-necessary-but-insufficient-burdens-of-self-defense-by-stephen-babb/comment-page-1/#comment-3065</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Babb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 19:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://victorybriefs.com/?p=18641#comment-3065</guid>
		<description>The self-defense burdens? To the extent they aren&#039;t, I think that&#039;s an indication of flaws in nibs theory itself. Maybe there are already accepted norms suggesting that positional nibs are OK (while resolutional burdens aren&#039;t)... but the norms clearly aren&#039;t so well-established to prevent a number of debaters from appropriating the argument that way.

My primary argument is that self-defense burdens shouldn&#039;t be treated in the same way as infinitely reductive &#039;a priori&#039; burdens. I&#039;d think that, technically, both instances involve necessary but insufficient burdens. The questions is whether or not both instances are equivalent in terms of fairness to the 1AC.

There&#039;s a somewhat separate argument Nebel advances about engaging a nibs debate once it happens. I think I agree with him too, but that&#039;s probably a different issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The self-defense burdens? To the extent they aren&#8217;t, I think that&#8217;s an indication of flaws in nibs theory itself. Maybe there are already accepted norms suggesting that positional nibs are OK (while resolutional burdens aren&#8217;t)&#8230; but the norms clearly aren&#8217;t so well-established to prevent a number of debaters from appropriating the argument that way.</p>
<p>My primary argument is that self-defense burdens shouldn&#8217;t be treated in the same way as infinitely reductive &#8216;a priori&#8217; burdens. I&#8217;d think that, technically, both instances involve necessary but insufficient burdens. The questions is whether or not both instances are equivalent in terms of fairness to the 1AC.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a somewhat separate argument Nebel advances about engaging a nibs debate once it happens. I think I agree with him too, but that&#8217;s probably a different issue.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on The Necessary but Insufficient Burdens of Self-Defense by Stephen Babb by Rebar Niemi</title>
		<link>http://victorybriefs.com/2012/02/the-necessary-but-insufficient-burdens-of-self-defense-by-stephen-babb/comment-page-1/#comment-3064</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebar Niemi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 17:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://victorybriefs.com/?p=18641#comment-3064</guid>
		<description>so you&#039;re saying they&#039;re not nibs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so you&#8217;re saying they&#8217;re not nibs?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Should Judges Time Rounds? by Stephen Babb</title>
		<link>http://victorybriefs.com/2012/02/should-judges-time-rounds/comment-page-1/#comment-3063</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Babb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 17:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://victorybriefs.com/?p=18585#comment-3063</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m a little torn on this one. On the one hand, I definitely don&#039;t want to be timing. Judging is painful enough. On the other hand, I do feel bad for kids who are exploited by nihilists. Cross-timing should generally check this, but some debaters will borrow their opponent&#039;s timer (thus preventing both from timing). When cross-timing isn&#039;t possible, some 3rd party should probably keep time.

Back in the day, it always seemed like there was an audience member who would happily keep time. Another reason more people should be watching out-rounds!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little torn on this one. On the one hand, I definitely don&#8217;t want to be timing. Judging is painful enough. On the other hand, I do feel bad for kids who are exploited by nihilists. Cross-timing should generally check this, but some debaters will borrow their opponent&#8217;s timer (thus preventing both from timing). When cross-timing isn&#8217;t possible, some 3rd party should probably keep time.</p>
<p>Back in the day, it always seemed like there was an audience member who would happily keep time. Another reason more people should be watching out-rounds!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on When Is It Appropriate to Restart Speeches? by Stephen Babb</title>
		<link>http://victorybriefs.com/2012/02/when-is-it-appropriate-to-restart-speeches/comment-page-1/#comment-3062</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Babb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://victorybriefs.com/?p=18634#comment-3062</guid>
		<description>This is interesting. I feel like these situations happen a lot. I definitely agree that if only 5 to 10 seconds elapsed, a re-start is in order. If it&#039;s much longer than that and the issue is no one was keeping time, then I usually just estimate how much time has elapsed and see if both debaters are OK with that figure. Not very scientific, but otherwise (as you point out) it&#039;s essentially like a debater gets to practice a speech before delivering it. 

This should be a reminder to all debaters that they should BOTH be keeping time at all times (and also to wait to start speaking until their judges are back from the bathroom lol).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is interesting. I feel like these situations happen a lot. I definitely agree that if only 5 to 10 seconds elapsed, a re-start is in order. If it&#8217;s much longer than that and the issue is no one was keeping time, then I usually just estimate how much time has elapsed and see if both debaters are OK with that figure. Not very scientific, but otherwise (as you point out) it&#8217;s essentially like a debater gets to practice a speech before delivering it. </p>
<p>This should be a reminder to all debaters that they should BOTH be keeping time at all times (and also to wait to start speaking until their judges are back from the bathroom lol).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Ranking Educational Objectives by Stephen Babb by Stephen Babb</title>
		<link>http://victorybriefs.com/2012/02/ranking-educational-objectives-by-stephen-babb/comment-page-1/#comment-3061</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Babb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://victorybriefs.com/?p=18596#comment-3061</guid>
		<description>Marc, I&#039;ve heard the same thing from a number of parents. In fact, I&#039;ve heard non-debate parents say they&#039;d never encourage their kids to debate because of how ridiculous it&#039;s become. So it seems like we aren&#039;t only destroying the value of debate rounds.. we&#039;re also not doing a great job of outreach and getting more kids involved.

I thought it was telling this summer at VBI that a lot of our first-year instructors commented on a lack of clarity when judging practice debates. It seemed like they hadn&#039;t given it as much thought previously because, as debaters, they took for granted that they wouldn&#039;t be able to understand one another and just resorted to reading over each others&#039; shoulders or flashing cases to each other via jump drive. Judges just don&#039;t have that opportunity though, and they shouldn&#039;t have the need to do so either. 

I&#039;ve always been an advocate for allowing debaters to go fast, but that&#039;s partially because the norms in LD were once quite a bit slower. Even now, though, I think it&#039;s largely a matter of clarity and organization. When Jake Nebel read quickly a few years back, I found him incredibly easy to flow. But, I see a lot of people who speed through lists of blippy arguments, run through dense philosophy, etc... all the while not opening their mouths and enunciating.

They have the same issues in policy today too, and there&#039;s also a persuasion deficit. I think you can be fast and persuasive, but apparently that&#039;s an oxymoron to most people. 

Until judges speak up, I think little will change. And even when judges do yell &quot;clear,&quot; I&#039;ve seen debaters refuse to change delivery time and again. Kind of baffling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc, I&#8217;ve heard the same thing from a number of parents. In fact, I&#8217;ve heard non-debate parents say they&#8217;d never encourage their kids to debate because of how ridiculous it&#8217;s become. So it seems like we aren&#8217;t only destroying the value of debate rounds.. we&#8217;re also not doing a great job of outreach and getting more kids involved.</p>
<p>I thought it was telling this summer at VBI that a lot of our first-year instructors commented on a lack of clarity when judging practice debates. It seemed like they hadn&#8217;t given it as much thought previously because, as debaters, they took for granted that they wouldn&#8217;t be able to understand one another and just resorted to reading over each others&#8217; shoulders or flashing cases to each other via jump drive. Judges just don&#8217;t have that opportunity though, and they shouldn&#8217;t have the need to do so either. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always been an advocate for allowing debaters to go fast, but that&#8217;s partially because the norms in LD were once quite a bit slower. Even now, though, I think it&#8217;s largely a matter of clarity and organization. When Jake Nebel read quickly a few years back, I found him incredibly easy to flow. But, I see a lot of people who speed through lists of blippy arguments, run through dense philosophy, etc&#8230; all the while not opening their mouths and enunciating.</p>
<p>They have the same issues in policy today too, and there&#8217;s also a persuasion deficit. I think you can be fast and persuasive, but apparently that&#8217;s an oxymoron to most people. </p>
<p>Until judges speak up, I think little will change. And even when judges do yell &#8220;clear,&#8221; I&#8217;ve seen debaters refuse to change delivery time and again. Kind of baffling.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on The Necessary but Insufficient Burdens of Self-Defense by Stephen Babb by Stephen Babb</title>
		<link>http://victorybriefs.com/2012/02/the-necessary-but-insufficient-burdens-of-self-defense-by-stephen-babb/comment-page-1/#comment-3060</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Babb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://victorybriefs.com/?p=18641#comment-3060</guid>
		<description>This is an interesting point. I&#039;ve encountered a few of these situations recently.. My only qualm as a judge is when a debater says &quot;I meet&quot; while there remains a legitimate &#039;risk&#039; that they do not meet an interpretation. It might be helpful in these situations for debaters to simply articulate the &#039;more likely than not&#039; qualifier Nebel mentions. 

At the end of the day, theory debates would benefit from all the same things we&#039;ve tried to teach debaters to do in the rest of the debate: give reasons, be comparative, and crystallize. In this instance, that last part is crucial: as long as debaters remain silent, they leave judges to settle these things in their own heads (and that&#039;s usually not something I want to do). If, alternatively, debaters spent time telling the judge how they should be evaluating arguments and what their expectations should be (e.g. for responding to NIBs bad), I for one would be very receptive to reasonable suggestions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting point. I&#8217;ve encountered a few of these situations recently.. My only qualm as a judge is when a debater says &#8220;I meet&#8221; while there remains a legitimate &#8216;risk&#8217; that they do not meet an interpretation. It might be helpful in these situations for debaters to simply articulate the &#8216;more likely than not&#8217; qualifier Nebel mentions. </p>
<p>At the end of the day, theory debates would benefit from all the same things we&#8217;ve tried to teach debaters to do in the rest of the debate: give reasons, be comparative, and crystallize. In this instance, that last part is crucial: as long as debaters remain silent, they leave judges to settle these things in their own heads (and that&#8217;s usually not something I want to do). If, alternatively, debaters spent time telling the judge how they should be evaluating arguments and what their expectations should be (e.g. for responding to NIBs bad), I for one would be very receptive to reasonable suggestions.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on The Necessary but Insufficient Burdens of Self-Defense by Stephen Babb by Stephen Babb</title>
		<link>http://victorybriefs.com/2012/02/the-necessary-but-insufficient-burdens-of-self-defense-by-stephen-babb/comment-page-1/#comment-3059</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Babb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://victorybriefs.com/?p=18641#comment-3059</guid>
		<description>Yah that&#039;s a good point. I also think that the problem with how the &#039;20 a priori burden&#039; strat typically plays out is that most 1Ns don&#039;t give any substantial reasons those burdens aren&#039;t met. They&#039;re just banking on a skeptical disposition and the assumption that anything short of 100% meeting each burden is a NEG ballot. That&#039;s ridiculous. For every burden the 1N deploys, they should be providing good substantive reasons that burden isn&#039;t met. Absent that, I&#039;d assume the AC automatically meets &#039;all 20&#039; burdens..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yah that&#8217;s a good point. I also think that the problem with how the &#8217;20 a priori burden&#8217; strat typically plays out is that most 1Ns don&#8217;t give any substantial reasons those burdens aren&#8217;t met. They&#8217;re just banking on a skeptical disposition and the assumption that anything short of 100% meeting each burden is a NEG ballot. That&#8217;s ridiculous. For every burden the 1N deploys, they should be providing good substantive reasons that burden isn&#8217;t met. Absent that, I&#8217;d assume the AC automatically meets &#8216;all 20&#8242; burdens..</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on The Necessary but Insufficient Burdens of Self-Defense by Stephen Babb by Stephen Babb</title>
		<link>http://victorybriefs.com/2012/02/the-necessary-but-insufficient-burdens-of-self-defense-by-stephen-babb/comment-page-1/#comment-3058</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Babb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://victorybriefs.com/?p=18641#comment-3058</guid>
		<description>Yes, I think the distinction between positional and resolutional applications is very apt. I suppose 1NCs could exploit that somewhat ridiculously by arguing a position commits itself to any number of prior assumptions, but there&#039;s a huge difference between the AC having to defend a laundry list of prior assumptions and defending the 2 or 3 basic tenets the 1AC should logically set out to defend. Not sure there&#039;s a clear bright-line, but that&#039;s definitely not a reason to trigger NIBs out of caution..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think the distinction between positional and resolutional applications is very apt. I suppose 1NCs could exploit that somewhat ridiculously by arguing a position commits itself to any number of prior assumptions, but there&#8217;s a huge difference between the AC having to defend a laundry list of prior assumptions and defending the 2 or 3 basic tenets the 1AC should logically set out to defend. Not sure there&#8217;s a clear bright-line, but that&#8217;s definitely not a reason to trigger NIBs out of caution..</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on The Necessary but Insufficient Burdens of Self-Defense by Stephen Babb by Jake Nebel</title>
		<link>http://victorybriefs.com/2012/02/the-necessary-but-insufficient-burdens-of-self-defense-by-stephen-babb/comment-page-1/#comment-3057</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake Nebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 13:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://victorybriefs.com/?p=18641#comment-3057</guid>
		<description>Haven&#039;t read the whole article yet but do people agree that any argument with a normative impact (&quot;X is good/bad or right/wrong&quot;) is fair game? It is clearly impact-turnable. It is also probably link-turnable because the aff can say that neg violates while aff does not. And even if it&#039;s not link-turnable (or if the link turn is really hard), I&#039;m not sure why that means the aff needs 100% defense to meet the standard. It seems to me that the neg needs to prove that it&#039;s more likely than not that the aff violates the NIB, and the aff has to prove the opposite. I get the risk of a link argument when we want to maximize expected value and therefore vote on big impacts with tiny links, but these NIBs are usually (always?) non-consequentialist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t read the whole article yet but do people agree that any argument with a normative impact (&#8220;X is good/bad or right/wrong&#8221;) is fair game? It is clearly impact-turnable. It is also probably link-turnable because the aff can say that neg violates while aff does not. And even if it&#8217;s not link-turnable (or if the link turn is really hard), I&#8217;m not sure why that means the aff needs 100% defense to meet the standard. It seems to me that the neg needs to prove that it&#8217;s more likely than not that the aff violates the NIB, and the aff has to prove the opposite. I get the risk of a link argument when we want to maximize expected value and therefore vote on big impacts with tiny links, but these NIBs are usually (always?) non-consequentialist.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

